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 Post subject: Did 17:18 abrogate 42:20?
PostPosted: 28 Feb 2010, 06:40 
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Ibn Al-Jawzi reports that Ad-Dhahhaak, Ibn Abbaas and Muqaatil said that

was abrogated by



ذكر الآية الرابعة: قوله تعالى "من كان يريد حرث الآخرة نزد له في حرثه". هذا محكم، وقوله "ومن كان يريد حرث الدنيا نؤته منها"، للمفسرين فيه قولان:
الأول أنه منسوخ بقوله "عجلنا له فيها ما نشاء لمن نريد"، رواه الضحاك عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما، وبه قال مقاتل. والثاني أنه محكم لأنه خبر، قاله قتادة، ووجهه ما بيناه في نظيرها في آل عمران عند قوله "ومن يرد ثواب الدنيا نؤته منها"
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Ibn Al-Jawzi says that Qataada disagreed because 42:20 is a statement of fact. Ibn Al-Jawzi also opined that it is not abrogated and cites his previous argument for a similar case in Chapter 3.

The verses are indeed statements of fact. Furthermore, they do no contradict each other. 42:20 states that we get what we work for. That is always true. Verse 17:18 simply says that those who only want this world will get it and will have no share of the good life in the Hereafter, so where is any contradiction?

And if that's not enough, Chapter 17 was revealed before Chapter 42.

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 Post subject: Re: Did 17:18 abrogate 42:20?
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Linguistic wrote:
الأول أنه منسوخ بقوله "عجلنا له فيها ما نشاء لمن نريد"، رواه الضحاك عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما
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if that's not enough, Chapter 17 was revealed before Chapter 42.

We have to tally those cases that are probably falsely attributed to Ibn-Abbas. The fact that a claim of abrogation of a (chronologically) later verse by an earlier verse is attributed to him is pretty disturbing.

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 Post subject: Who said what
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For:
Ibn Abbaas,
Muqaatil,
Ibn Salaama.

Against:
The majority, according to An-Nahhaas and Makki (per Al-Khazraji),
Qataada,
Ibn Al-Jawzi,
Ar-Raazi, Al-Aloosi, Al-Qurtubi (according to Az-Zalmi),
Dr. Mustafa Zayd,
Dr. Az-Zalmi,
Haani Taahir.

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 Post subject: Re: Did 17:18 abrogate 42:20?
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We have to tally those cases that are probably falsely attributed to Ibn-Abbas. The fact that a claim of abrogation of a (chronologically) later verse by an earlier verse is attributed to him is pretty disturbing.

Dr. Mustafa Zayd, in his book النسخ في القرآن الكريم, volume 1, page 452 (item 637), confirms that the narration is very weak and identifies the cause: narrator Juwaybir who narrated it from Ad-Dhahhaak from Ibn Abbaas.

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