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 Post subject: Did 2:286 or 64:16 abrogate 22:78?
PostPosted: 24 Feb 2010, 16:01 
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Ibn Al-Jawzi reports that

has been claimed abrogated. Some said by

and others said by


This what Ibn Al-Jawzi wrote about it,

ذكر الآية الثانية: قوله تعالى "وجاهدوا في الله حق جهاده". فيها قولان: القول الأول أنها منسوخة، لأن فعل ما فيه وفاء الحق الله لا يتصور من أحد. اختلف هؤلاء في ناسخها على قولين: الأول أنه قوله "لا يكلف الله نفسا إلا وسعها"، والثاني "فاتقوا الله ما استطعتم". والقول الثاني أنها محكمة، لأن حق الجهاد الجد في المجاهدة وبذل الإمكان مع صحة القصد، فعلى هذا هي محكمة. ويوضحه أن الله تعالى لم يأمر بما لا يتصور، فبان أن قوله "ما استطعتم" تفسير لحق الجهاد، فلا يصح نسخ، كما بينا في قوله تعالى في آل عمران "اتقوا الله حق تقاته"
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The argument is the same as in the case of 64:16/3:102 and like that case, there is no abrogation here either. The words "as struggling for Him ought to be" is not an impossible task. God would not require Muslims to do the impossible. What the words mean is to struggle seriously, persistently and to the best of our ability and for the correct cause.

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 Post subject: Re: Did 2:286 or 64:16 abrogate 22:78?
PostPosted: 25 Feb 2010, 08:01 
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Linguistic wrote:
The argument is the same as in the case of 64:16/3:102 and like that case, there is no abrogation here either. The words "as struggling for Him ought to be" is not an impossible task. God would not require Muslims to do the impossible. What the words mean is to struggle seriously, persistently and to the best of our ability and for the correct cause.

I would argue here the same way I argued in the case that you referred to. The wording is "the true way struggling for Him should be." I don't wish to get political in this project, but you probably have a good guess about what ways for struggling for Him nowadays are not the true ways.

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 Post subject: Re: Did 2:286 or 64:16 abrogate 22:78?
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Pragmatic wrote:
I would argue here the same way I argued in the case that you referred to. The wording is "the true way struggling for Him should be." I don't wish to get political in this project, but you probably have a good guess about what ways for struggling for Him nowadays are not the true ways.

The true way is an excellent translation.

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 Post subject: Who said what
PostPosted: 06 Jun 2010, 20:31 
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For:
Ibn Hazm Al-Andalusi and An-Nahhaas (according to Al-Khazraji),
Ibn Salaama,
Ibn Al-Baarizi,
Abu-Abdillah Shu`la,
Al-Khazraji.
P.S. Dr. Abdullah Al-Husayni interpreted Aş-Şa`di's opinion as approval of this claim, but the man did not say that. He said, "It was said...and God knows best."

Against:
Ibn Al-Jawzi (implied),
An-Nahhaas and Makki (according to Al-Khazraji and quoted by Dr. Faaris),
Dr. Mustafa Zayd,
Dr. Az-Zalmi.

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