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 Post subject: Verses 58:11-13
PostPosted: 04 Jun 2009, 08:18 
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 Post subject: Re: Verses 58:11-13
PostPosted: 06 Feb 2010, 22:41 
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{58:11} O you who have believed, when you are told, "Space yourselves" in assemblies, then make space; God will make space for you. And when you are told, "Arise," then arise; God will raise those who have believed among you and those who were given knowledge, by degrees. And God is Acquainted with what you do.

I suggest,
{58:11} O you who have believed, when it is said to you to make room in sit-down meetings, then make room; God shall make room for you. And when it is said to you to disperse then disperse. God shall raise those who have believed among you and those who were granted knowledge, in ranks. And God, of what you do, is All-Aware.

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{58:12} O you who have believed, when you [wish to] privately consult the Messenger, present before your consultation a charity. That is better for you and purer. But if you find not [the means] - then indeed, God is Forgiving and Merciful.

I suggest,
{58:12} O you who have believed, when you confer privately with the Messenger, advance before your consultation a charity. That is better for you and purer. But if you do not find [the means] then verily, God is oft Forgiving, quite Merciful.

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{58:13} Have you feared to present before your consultation charities? Then when you do not and God has forgiven you, then [at least] establish prayer and give zakah and obey God and His Messenger. And God is Acquainted with what you do.

I suggest,
{58:13} Did you feel [too] apprehensive to advance before your consultation [some] charities? Then since you did not - and God has pardoned you - then [at least] establish prayer, give alms and obey God and His Messenger. And God is All-Aware of what you do.

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 Post subject: Re: Verses 58:11-13
PostPosted: 07 Feb 2010, 07:00 
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{58:12} O you who have believed, when you confer privately with the Messenger, advance before your consultation a charity. That is better for you and purer. But if you do not find [the means] then verily, God is oft Forgiving, quite Merciful.

The use of "oft" may be mistaken for deemphasis rather than emphasis.

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 Post subject: Re: Verses 58:11-13
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Linguistic wrote:
{58:12} O you who have believed, when you confer privately with the Messenger, advance before your consultation a charity. That is better for you and purer. But if you do not find [the means] then verily, God is oft Forgiving, quite Merciful.

The use of "oft" may be mistaken for deemphasis rather than emphasis.

"Oft" is meant to indicate frequency, i.e., time after time. Realizig that, I decided to translate غفور as "much forgiving" and غفار as "oft-forgiving."

So, for a translation of 58:12, I suggest,
{58:12} O you who have believed, when you confer privately with the Messenger, advance before your consultation a charity. That is better for you and purer. But if you do not find [the means] then verily, God is much Forgiving, Merciful.

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