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Author:  Index [ 06 Jun 2009, 07:44 ]
Post subject:  Verses 12:50-51

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Author:  Linguistic [ 03 Feb 2010, 03:26 ]
Post subject:  Re: Verses 12:50-51

Quote:
{12:50} And the king said, "Bring him to me." But when the messenger came to him, [Joseph] said, "Return to your master and ask him what is the case of the women who cut their hands. Indeed, my Lord is Knowing of their plan."

I suggest,
{12:50} And the king said, "Bring him to me." But when the messenger came to him, [Joseph] said, "Return to your lord and ask him what is the state of mind of the women who cut their hands. Surely, my lord, of their wiling, is well aware."

Quote:
{12:51} Said [the king to the women], "What was your condition when you sought to seduce Joseph?" They said, "Perfect is God! We know about him no evil." The wife of al-Azeez said, "Now the truth has become evident. It was I who sought to seduce him, and indeed, he is of the truthful.

I suggest,
{12:51} Said [the king to the women], "What is your affair when you sought to seduce Joseph from his [pure] self?" They said, "God forbid! We know about him no evil." The wife of the nobleman said, "Now the truth has come to light. [It was] I who sought to seduce him from his [pure] self, and indeed, he is of the truthful."

Author:  Pragmatic [ 23 Mar 2010, 05:25 ]
Post subject:  Re: Verses 12:50-51

Linguistic wrote:
I suggest,
{12:50} And the king said, "Bring him to me." But when the messenger came to him, [Joseph] said, "Return to your lord and ask him what is the state of mind of the women who cut their hands. Surely, my lord, of their wiling, is well aware."

Sounds good, but I am a bit uncomfortable with "what is the state of mind" The same expression is used in the Quran in

so I think "what about" is more befitting.

Quote:
I suggest,
{12:51} Said [the king to the women], "What is your affair when you sought to seduce Joseph from his [pure] self?" They said, "God forbid! We know about him no evil." The wife of the nobleman said, "Now the truth has come to light. [It was] I who sought to seduce him from his [pure] self, and indeed, he is of the truthful."

Perhaps "shined" or "prevailed" (I am not sure what the linguistic meaning of the Arabic word is). Also, "who" should be an interjection I think.

Author:  Linguistic [ 23 Mar 2010, 17:06 ]
Post subject:  Re: Verses 12:50-51

Pragmatic wrote:
Sounds good, but I am a bit uncomfortable with "what is the state of mind" The same expression is used in the Quran in 20:51, so I think "what about" is more befitting.

But we stick to the Arabic words in this translation. The word بال means "mind." It's like asking, "What were they thinking?" If the verse said ماشأن النسوة, then the translation "what about the women" would be the accurate one.

Pragmatic wrote:
Perhaps "shined" or "prevailed" (I am not sure what the linguistic meaning of the Arabic word is). Also, "who" should be an interjection I think.

I did look it up and it means "come to light." "Shine" does not necessarily mean it was obscure before, and prevail does not convey the light aspect. You are right about "who" being an interjection. Thanks for observing,
{12:51} Said [the king to the women], "What is your affair when you sought to seduce Joseph from his [pure] self?" They said, "God forbid! We know about him no evil." The wife of the nobleman said, "Now the truth has come to light. [It was] I [who] sought to seduce him from his [pure] self, and indeed, he is of the truthful."

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