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 Post subject: Did 2:191 abrogate 2:190?
PostPosted: 18 Oct 2010, 16:23 
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Abdul-Muta`aal Al-Jabri says in his book لا نسخ في القرآن...لماذا؟, page 83, that Qataada has said that

was abrogated by the clause "Do not fight them at the Sacrosanct Mosque" in the next verse,

And others have said the abrogating clause is "Kill them wherever you find them".

Al-Jabri rejects both claims. He says that 2:190 establishes the principle,
الخير بالخير والبادي أفضل، والشر بالشر والبادي أظلم

Translation: Good for good and the initiator is better. Bad for bad and the initiator is worse.

He makes the good point that the prevention of fighting in the Sacrosanct Mosque, except for self defense, is a means of attaining peace. When people know that there is a sacred place they can go to for shelter and refuge, they are more likely to stop fighting.

As for the clause "wherever you find them", it does include the Sacrosanct Mosque, but 2:191 allows fighting there for self defense, so there is no contradiction.

Al-Jabri reports a narration by Ibn Abbaas, reported by Ibn Abi-Haatim, according to As-Suyooti in his book الإكليل, page 29, in which he interprets 2:190 as follows,
لا تقتلوا النساء والصبيان والشيخ الكبير، ولا من ألقى السلم وكف يده، فإن فعلتم فقد اعتديتم

Translation: Do not kill women, children and old people, nor anyone who surrenders and stops fighting. If you do, you've transgressed.

See also this related topic: 2:193/2:191.

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 Post subject: Who said what
PostPosted: 18 Oct 2010, 16:31 
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Qataada.

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Ibn Abbaas (implied),
Al-Jabri.

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 Post subject: Consequences
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Al-Jabri, in his book لا نسخ في القرآن...لماذا؟, pages 81-86, discusses peace in Islam and observes something very interesting: Islam imposed several restrictions on engaging in war and several restrictions on how a war is conducted and several incentives to end a war!

He calls Qataada's claim in this case invalid, because, he said, verse 2:190 explains the stage at which war is warranted: an actual aggression took place. It is also the same stage where fighting in the Sacrosanct Mosque is allowed, per 2:191, the claimed abrogating verse, namely, an aggression actually took place there.

Al-Jabri points out the restriction in 2:191 on place of battle. The Sacrosanct Mosque is off limits! Unless Muslims are attacked there. Later he points out the restriction on time of war, made clear by 2:217,

The four sacred months are off limits as well.

Not paying attention to these obvious points, by claiming abrogation, results in releasing what God has restricted, and violating the sanctity of the Grand Mosque and the sacred months.

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