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 Post subject: Did 9:60 abrogate 63:10?
PostPosted: 15 Oct 2010, 17:33 
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I honestly did not think that there can be any more abrogation claims, but Abdul-Muta`aa Al-Jabri, in his book لانسخ في القرآن...لماذا؟, pages 53-54, wrote that As-Suyooti wrote in his book الإتقان في علوم القرآن, volume 2, page 23, reported that some people he did not name have claimed that

was abrogated by the Zakah verse,

As-Suyooti refutes the claim saying that Ibn Abbaas said that what is meant by "Spend from what We have provided you" is the Zakah.

While I agree that 63:10 is not abrogated, I respectfully disagree that this what is meant. The wording is general. It covers all spending that pleases God. It is not limited to the required alms. The Zakah verse does not abrogate anything; it only specifies the only approved avenues of charity in Islam.

Al-Jabri agrees that 63:10 is not abrogated and says that its teaching is to hurry up with paying the required alms (Zakah), agreeing with Al-Qurtubi. Al-Jabri cites a hadeeth, reported by At-Tirmizhi, in which the Prophet (PBUH) says,

"Whoever has money that can enable him to make the pilgrimage or in which alms are due, but does not do it, will ask when he dies to go back to the world!"

Some people said to him, "But only disbelievers ask to go back!" He answered, "I'll recite to you Quran about it." Then he recited 63:10. Oh, my God.

Another supporting hadeeth Al-Jabri cites, was reported by Al-Bukhaari and narrated by Abu-Hurayra, in which a man asked the Prophet (PBUH), "What charity is best rewarded?" He replied, "That you give in charity when you are healthy, of modest means, fearing poverty and hoping to be rich; that you do not delay until it (your soul) reaches your throat and then say, 'For so-and-so this much, for such-and-such this much and so-and-so should have gotten this much!' "

This hadeeth does not limit the charity it talks about to the Zakah, thus confirming my humble understanding of 63:10.

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 Post subject: Who said what
PostPosted: 15 Oct 2010, 17:36 
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Ibn Abbaas (implied),
Al-Qurtubi (quoted by Al-Jabri),
Ibn Salaama (who said there are no abrogated verses in Chapter 63),
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 Post subject: Re: Did 9:60 abrogate 63:10?
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63:10 says "spend from what We have provided you" so what can possibly be abrogated here? Are we now supposed to spend someone else's money?

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 Post subject: Consequences
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Al-Jabri notes in his book لا نسخ في القرآن...لماذا؟, pages 52-56, that the following are consequences of accepting this abrogation claim, which he does not:

  1. A rich man may shelter his wealth from any spending until just before he dies, if Zakah collection is not enforced or Zakah collectors are dishonest. That's because missed Zakah may be compensated later!

    This cheats the treasury of needed revenue and the poor from getting help.

  2. The rich may not have sufficient motivation to contribute to charity, if they pay the Zakah regularly. One of the people who believed that there is no financial obligation on a rich Muslim other than the Zakah was Ka`b-ul-Ahbaar.

    Al-Jabri comments that, thankfully, Muslims did not develop that view, as evidenced by the countless works of charity and endowments that Muslims have established in abundance throughout their history.

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