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 Post subject: Did 4:146 abrogate 4:145?
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2010, 00:19 
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Ibn Al-Jawzi reports this case about the hypocrites,


is claimed to have been abrogated by the next verse,


He correctly and quickly dismisses the claim stating that exceptions are not abrogation. This is what he says,
ذكر الآية السادسة والعشرين: قوله تعالى "إن المنافقين في الدرك الأسفل"، زعم بعض من قل فهمه أنها نسخت بالاستثناء بعدها وهو قوله "إلا الذين تابوا"، وقد بينا في مواضع أن الاستثناء ليس بنسخ

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 Post subject: Did 4:146 abrogate 4:145?
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Despite saying that exceptions are not abrogation, Ibn Hazm Al-Andalusi agrees with this abrogation claim.

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 Post subject: Re: Did 4:146 abrogate 4:145?
PostPosted: 17 Apr 2010, 07:20 
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I wonder what the criterion is in choosing which exceptions are to be considered abrogation and which aren't. There are numerous cases of exception in the Quran. For example, a search for إلا yields more than 500 hits (granted most of them are not potential candidates for an abrogation claim).

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 Post subject: Who said what
PostPosted: 02 Jun 2010, 16:36 
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For:
Ibn Hazm Al-Andalusi,
Ibn Salaama (he actually said 'excepted' not abrogated, in his book الناسخ والمنسوخ في القرآن الكريم, page 54),
Al-Khazraji.

Against:
The majority, by rejecting the notion that exceptions constitute abrogation,
Ibn Al-Jawzi,
Ar-Raazi (according to Az-Zalmi),
Dr. Mustafa Zayd,
Dr. Ahmad Hijaazi As-Saqqa,
Dr. Az-Zalmi.

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