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Author: | Pragmatic [ 24 Apr 2010, 02:09 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Inconsistencies |
Linguistic wrote: So, why didn't Al-Areedh apply his own argument? His answer is, get this, "No other scholar said it!" That, to me, means that he believes that consensus can abrogate the Quran. Yet, he shows in his book why it can't. Another inconsistency. It's not easy being pro-abrogation! |
Author: | Pragmatic [ 24 Apr 2010, 03:25 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Inconsistencies |
Linguistic wrote: Ali Hasan Al-Areedh, in his book فتح المنان في نسخ القرآن, says that if there is an explanation or interpretation that makes it possible to comply with two verses that seem contradictory, then there is no cause for an abrogation claim. I certainly agree, and this is precisely our validation rule #13. A running theme in Al-Jabri's book, and a specific statement on page 65, argue this exact point. Al-Jabri bases his anti-abrogation stand on the ability to exhaustively reconcile the verses of each abrogation claim (the part of the book that deals with individual abrogation claims should be interesting). He also points out the inconsistency of pro-abrogation scholars who set rules for abrogation then violated them when it came to considering specific abrogation claims. PS: There are no refuted abrogation claims in Al-Jabri's book (the second edition), so probably they were in the first edition and were omitted in the second edition that concentrates on rebuttal of attacks on the first edition. |
Author: | Pragmatic [ 14 May 2010, 07:15 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Inconsistencies |
In his book, Nada politely points out an inconsistency, or a discrepancy, by Al-Qortobi in his exegesis regarding the interpretation of 16:101. Al-Qortobi reportedly mentions the attacks of the Jews and the change of the prayers direction as circumstances of revelation. Nada points out that the verse was revealed in Mecca, patently before the change of the direction of the prayers and well before the Jews started their attacks in Medina. Nada also points out that the original direction of the prayers was not decreed by a verse, so there is no substitution of verses as it relates to the change. |
Author: | Linguistic [ 17 May 2010, 17:03 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Inconsistencies |
In his book الناسخ والمنسوخ بين الإثبات والنفي, pages 31-32, Al-Jabri points out how Ibn Hazm Az-Zhaahiri was inconsistent about naskh in his book الإحكام في أصول الأحكام. He mentions several questions Ibn Hazm asked himself about abrogation and could not answer! He pointed out how Ibn Hazm then concluded, rather than answering, that abrogation may be true for two reasons (which Al-Jabri calls "hangers"),
Al-Jabri goes on to say that Ibn Hazm just had to go along with the prevailing opinion of scholars of his time, otherwise much of what he wrote would logically lead him to oppose the abrogation doctrine. |
Author: | Linguistic [ 27 Jul 2010, 04:33 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scholars opinions about abrogation |
Jamaal `Ataaya has studied the work of Abdul`Azeem Az-Zurqaai in detail and often quotes his book مناهل العرفان in his own book حقيقة النسخ وطلاقة النص في القرآن. On page 89, he quotes Az-Zurqaani's book (Volume 2, page 210) saying that none of the following can be used to determine abrogation,
I fully agree. And it leaves no way to determine abrogation! Because neither God, nor His Messenger have ever said "this verse is now abrogated by this other verse." Yet, Az-Zurqaani was a huge advocate of abrogation and has approved 6-9 claims. Why? |
Author: | Linguistic [ 04 Aug 2010, 19:33 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Inconsistencies |
In his book نفس الصباح في غريب القرآن وناسخه ومنسوخه, volume 1, page 212, author Al-Khazraji reports the case claiming abrogation of 2:183. He said that "for some people 2:183 was abrogated and with others it is abrogating." Then, in the footnotes, he refers the reader to several books, one of which is called الإيضاح by Makki! If you didn't get the irony, the word الإيضاح means elucidation. How lucid is this case if we don't even know if the verse was abrogated or was abrogating? |
Author: | Pragmatic [ 06 Aug 2010, 11:28 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scholars opinions about abrogation |
Linguistic wrote: none of the following can be used to determine abrogation,
Otherwise, it's OK. |
Author: | Pragmatic [ 06 Aug 2010, 11:30 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Inconsistencies |
Linguistic wrote: In his book نفس الصباح في غريب القرآن وناسخه ومنسوخه, volume 1, page 212, author Al-Khazraji reports the case claiming abrogation of 2:183. He said that "for some people 2:183 was abrogated and with others it is abrogating." Then, in the footnotes, he refers the reader to several books, one of which is called الإيضاح by Makki! If you didn't get the irony, the word الإيضاح means elucidation. How lucid is this case if we don't even know if the verse was abrogated or was abrogating? It is notable how people who are used to not being contested can produce totally vulnerable arguments without any concern. |
Author: | Pragmatic [ 18 Aug 2010, 05:27 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Conflicting opinions of scholars |
Linguistic wrote: In this post, I intend to tally all the conflicting narrations of scholars about the same abrogation claim. That is, one report says they supported the claim and another says that they rejected it. Excellent idea. The factual tallies are becoming a significant part of this project. |
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