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 Post subject: Did 87:6 abrogate 12:109?
PostPosted: 25 Jan 2010, 04:26 
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Jalaal-ud-Deen As-Suyooti mentions casually this case in his book, "Al-Itqaan fi `Uloom Al-Qur'aan". He does not argue it and does not include it in the list of twenty verses he regards as valid abrogation cases. Here are the two verses,

is claimed to have been abrogated by

I don't know where is the abrogation claimed and will not venture to guess.

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 Post subject: Re: Did 87:6 abrogate 12:109?
PostPosted: 25 Jan 2010, 07:09 
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Linguistic wrote:
I don't know where is the abrogation claimed and will not venture to guess.

I don't either, and I don't see a ruling to be abrogated.

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 Post subject: Re: Did 87:6 abrogate 12:109?
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Dr. Az-Zalmi must have not noticed this claim quoted by As-Suyooti, because he says in his book التبيان لرفع غموض النسخ في القرآن, page 295, "This chapter (12) is the first chapter so far that escaped the tongue of callers of abrogation, for they said there is not in it any abrogating or abrogated."

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 Post subject: Re: Did 87:6 abrogate 12:109?
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Linguistic wrote:
Dr. Az-Zalmi must have not noticed this claim quoted by As-Suyooti, because he says in his book التبيان لرفع غموض النسخ في القرآن, page 295, "This chapter (12) is the first chapter so far that escaped the tongue of callers of abrogation, for they said there is not in it any abrogating or abrogated."

Good catch. I guess there isn't even agreement about which verses were claimed to be abrogated. :)

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 Post subject: Who said what
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Against:
The majority, according to Dr. Az-Zalmi (who says that Chapter 12 is one of few that have been called Muhkam by all scholars),
Ibn Salaama (he did not address this claim; he only stated that there are no abrogated or abrogating verses in Chapter 12),
Aş-Şa`di (who said that Chapter 12 is Muhkam),
Abdullah ibn Al-Mutahhar (who said that Chapter 12 is Muhkam, per Dr. Al-Husayni).

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