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Author: | Linguistic [ 15 Sep 2010, 19:53 ] |
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Jamaal `Ataaya, in his book حقيقة النسخ وطلاقة النص في القرآن, page 389, quotes Dr. Abdul-Hameed Abu-Sulaymaan from his book أزمة العقل المسلم, page 90, arguing that the assumption that a mortal, such as a Sahaabi, can tell that a verse has been abrogated, gives license to any other mortal to do the same for any other verse, until the entire book is abrogated. |
Author: | Pragmatic [ 24 Sep 2010, 04:29 ] |
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In this book, the author dedicated a full chapter (pages 129-144) to discussing the negative consequences of the abrogation doctrine. I wasn't able to go through the chapter because of time constraints, but I thought I should leave a pointer here so that we look at it at some point. While we are on the subject of pointers , the author dedicated the following chapter (pages 145-155) to "How did this happen?" and the chapter after that (pages 156-167) to debating the wisdom of abrogation and the importance of knowing the abrogated and abrogating. |
Author: | Linguistic [ 26 Sep 2010, 17:10 ] |
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Pragmatic wrote: In this book, the author dedicated a full chapter (pages 129-144) to discussing the negative consequences of the abrogation doctrine. I wasn't able to go through the chapter because of time constraints, but I thought I should leave a pointer here so that we look at it at some point. I picked up where you left off, so here are some more details. Haani Taahir, in his book تنزيه آي القرآن عن النسخ والنقصان, pages 130-144, lists many negative consequences of the abrogation doctrine:
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Author: | Pragmatic [ 27 Sep 2010, 01:19 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Consequences of abrogation |
What a fantastic post. All the points are hits. Thank you. Linguistic wrote: Enticing competition between scholars who could find more abrogated verses! That is like playing "Where is Waldo" with the holy Book of God. I thought of exactly that expression more than once when I was reading the convoluted attempts to 'find' abrogated verses. Although I was reluctant to use the expression, that is exactly what was happening. |
Author: | Linguistic [ 18 Dec 2010, 01:27 ] |
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I was reading Chapter 7 recently, and came across this verse, Emphasis on "And that you say about God what you do not know"! This study of the abrogation doctrine made me wonder many times how so many scholars have dared to "say about God what they do not know", by claiming that He abrogated some of His rulings and left the abrogated rulings for us to guess! Equally shocking, is how they fiercely defended the abrogation doctrine and their fellow pro-abrogation folk, and fiercely attacked the one man, may God reward him handsomely, who did not agree with them and proved them wrong in most of their claims, Abu-Muslim Al-Asfahaani, may God bless his soul! He deprived them all from being able to claim that there is consensus about the abrogation doctrine. |
Author: | Pragmatic [ 26 Dec 2010, 08:03 ] |
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Linguistic wrote: And that you say about God what you do not know"! Notice that the word used is "know." If a scholar is asked "do you know that God abrogated verse such and such?" and wants to answer this question in good conscience, what would the answer be? Notice also the other offenses in 7:33 that are grouped with the quoted offense. Pretty scary. |
Author: | Linguistic [ 27 Dec 2010, 18:41 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Consequences of abrogation |
Al-Jabri ends his book لا نسخ في القرآن...لماذا؟, starting at page 144, with a profound observation: The verses the scholars said were abrogated are verses that establish civilized, enlightened and progressive principles long before the modern world adopted them!
I plan, God willing, to post the details of the above points in the topics that address the pertaining verses. |
Author: | Pragmatic [ 28 Dec 2010, 19:11 ] |
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Linguistic wrote: Al-Jabri ends his book لا نسخ في القرآن...لماذا؟, starting at page 144, with a profound observation: The verses the scholars said were abrogated are verses that establish civilized, enlightened and progressive principles long before the modern world adopted them! This is a great observation. We have suspected bias in some of the abrogation claims, including which verse was the abrogating and which was the abrogated in cases where the timing of the verses was debatable. However, if Al-Jabri managed to make a complete case of this, it is very much worth including after our independent verification. People often want to claim the glory of a moral principle without having to abide by the obligation that the principle entails. |
Author: | Linguistic [ 06 Apr 2011, 06:02 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Consequences of abrogation |
This verse has a lot of implications against those who have claimed abrogation based on their perception of contradictions between verses, Some of the those implications are:
What humans write or say tends to have many contradictions. It is the nature of man. But what God reveals has no contradictions and can't have them. |
Author: | Linguistic [ 06 Apr 2011, 06:28 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Consequences of abrogation |
I came across this hadeeth, reported by many and rated Hasan (Sound) by Al-Albaani and Mashhoor (well known) by Ibn Taymiya, خرج رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم على أصحابه وهم يتناظرون في القدر، ورجل يقول: ألم يقل الله كذا، ورجل يقول: ألم يقل الله كذا، فكأنما فقئ في وجهه حب الرمان، فقال: أبهذا أمرتم؟ إنما أهلك من كان قبلكم بهذا، ضربوا كتاب الله بعضه ببعض، وإنما نزل كتاب الله ليصدق بعضه بعضا لا ليكذب بعضه بعضا، انظروا ما أمرتم به فافعلوه وما نهيتم عنه فاجتنبوه Translation: The Prophet (PBUH) came out one day to find two Sahaaba arguing about Al-Qadar (precision of timing and amount of everything that God does). One man says, "Did God not say such?" And the other man says, "And did God also not say such?" The Prophet (PBUH) got so angry, you would think seeds of pomegranate burst in his face! He said to them, "Is that what you have been commanded? That is what destroyed those who were before you: they knocked parts of the Book of God with other parts. The Book of God was not revealed so that parts of it knock other parts; it was revealed so that all its parts affirm each other. See what you have been commanded and do it and what you have been forbidden and avoid it." This hadeeth implies many dire consequences to believers in the abrogation doctrine:
Belief in the abrogation doctrine is dangerous to your faith. |
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