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 Post subject: Did the Sunna abrogate 2:222?
PostPosted: 03 Nov 2010, 16:29 
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Dr. Mustafa Zayd, in his book النسخ في القرآن الكريم, volume 2, pages 123-125 (items 856-858), writes that some folk claimed that

was abrogated by the Sunna of the Prophet (PBUH) where he allowed making love with a menstruating wife but not intercourse.

Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal rejected that claim and said that the word المحيض means the area of the menstrual blood. That is why God called it أذى (harm). Thus, it's only that area that is to be avoided during love making, and that is exactly what the Sunna has been. Ibn Al-Jawzi agrees and so does Dr. Zayd. Ibn Hanbal adds that, even if the Sunna conflicted with the verse, the verse takes precedence, since "the abrogating must be equal in strength to the abrogated, and the Quran is stronger than the Sunna."

Dr. Zayd said that An-Nahhaas said that the verse abrogated what was in the law of the Children of Israel, who, based on a narration by Anas ibn Maalik, totally avoided their menstruating wives. Dr. Zayd says that is not abrogation, since the abrogated is not in Islam.

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PostPosted: 03 Nov 2010, 16:31 
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P.S. An-Nahhaas said 2:222 abrogated the law of the Jews.

Against:
Ahmad ibn Hanbal,
Ibn Al-Jawzi,
Dr. Mustafa Zayd.

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 Post subject: Re: Did the Sunna abrogate 2:222?
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I have to say that there is a point for someone who reads 2:222 as commanding staying away totally. While I agree that المحيض here is the place rather than the time, the command لا تقربوهن (don't approach them) seems to be referring to the women not the place of menstruation since its object is feminine and plural while the place of menstruation is masculine and singular in the previous sentence. Of course لا تقربوهن could be a tactful way of referring to intercourse, similar to باشروهن which is used elsewhere in the Quran.

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 Post subject: Re: Did the Sunna abrogate 2:222?
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Pragmatic wrote:
Of course لا تقربوهن could be a tactful way of referring to intercourse, similar to باشروهن which is used elsewhere in the Quran.

An excellent point. The verb تقربوهن is a polite metonymy for intercourse. God has used many gentle words to refer to intercourse, in order to teach us to also be discreet in this matter. Words like تغشاها (he covered her) in 7:187 and لامستم النساء (touched women and they touched you) in 5:6.

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 Post subject: Re: Did the Sunna abrogate 2:222?
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Linguistic wrote:
An excellent point. The verb تقربوهن is a polite metonymy for intercourse. God has used many gentle words to refer to intercourse, in order to teach us to also be discreet in this matter. Words like تغشاها (he covered her) in 7:187 and لامستم النساء (touched women and they touched you) in 5:6.

The evidence that tact can trump precision in the Quran, especially in private matters, is evidenced by using "أَوْ جَاء أَحَدٌ مِّنكُم مِّن الْغَآئِطِ" to refer to going to the bathroom (even that English phrase is tactful). One can definitely go there and come back without doing anything that requires ablution.

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