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 Post subject: Historical Timeline
PostPosted: 11 Jan 2010, 08:24 
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This thread is dedicated to information about the timing of different aspects of the abrogation issue in Islamic history. When rather than who is what concerns us here, e.g., when was it that the first verse in the text of the Quran that is considered abrogated so considered?

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Timeline
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I'll start with an example that I got off the Internet, so I cannot attest to its authenticity. Here goes.

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There are two verses that I am absolutely sure of that were identified as having been abrogated after the Prophet's (saw) death.

One example of such was identified by Mujahhedd a Tabi and one of the first ulema of tafseer al-Quran. Mujahhed Ibn Jabr identified verse 2:240 as having abrogated verse 2:234.

Mujahhed was born about 10 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (saw).

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Timeline
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Some dates I picked from different sites, none rigorously authenticated:

Al-Zuhri (early authority in Hadeeth, claimed 42 verses were abrogated), in the 8th century A.D.

Al-Isfahani (opponent of abrogation), died in the Hijri year 323.

Al-Jassas (reported establisher of abrogation as a doctrine), died in the Hijri year 370.

Number of abrogated verses reportedly went up to 238 and then 248, in the 11th century A.D.

Al-Suyuti (Egyptian theologian, reduced the number to 20 verses), in the 15th century A.D.

Shah Waliu-Allah (Indian Sufi scholar, reduced the number to 5 verses), in the 18th century A.D.

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Timeline
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Pragmatic wrote:
This thread is dedicated to information about the timing of different aspects of the abrogation issue in Islamic history.

Pages 278-328 in volume 1 of this book cover the historical timeline of abrogation scholars comprehensively.

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Timeline - Chronological order of revelation
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I thought that listing the chronological order of revelation is pertinent here. Bear in mind that the order shown below is the majority opinion but there were other opinions suggested. Also, some verses were inserted by direction of the Prophet (PBUH) into prior chapters. Therefore, if Chapter A was revealed before Chapter B, that is not automatically proof that verses in A cannot abrogate verses in B, but mostly that is true.

96 - 68 - 73 - 74 - 1 - 111 - 81 - 87 - 92 - 89 - 93 - 94 - 103 - 100 - 108 - 102 - 107 - 109 - 105 - 113 - 114 - 112 - 53 - 80 - 97 - 91 - 85 - 95 - 106 - 101 - 75 - 104 - 77 - 50 - 90 - 86 - 54 - 38 - 7 - 72 - 36 - 25 - 35 - 19 - 20 - 56 - 26 - 27 - 28 - 17 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 15 - 6 - 37 - 31 - 34 - 39 - 40 - 41 - 42 - 43 - 44 - 45 - 46 - 51 - 88 - 18 - 16 - 71 - 14 - 21 - 23 - 32 - 52 - 67 - 69 - 70 - 78 - 79 - 82 - 84 - 30 - 29 - 83 - 2 - 8 - 3 - 33 - 60 - 4 - 99 - 57 - 47 - 13 - 55 - 76 - 65 - 98 - 59 - 24 - 22 - 63 - 58 - 49 - 66 - 64 - 61 - 62 - 48 - 5 - 9 - 110.

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Timeline - Chronological order of revelation
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I thought that listing the chronological order of revelation is pertinent here.

Indeed it is. Thank you for the effort.

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Timeline - Scholars who wrote about abrogation
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I will try to maintain here the names and dates of death of all the scholars who spoke about abrogation one way or another, in an attempt to understand their era, environment and contemporaries, etc.

`Abdullah ibn Mas`ood (d. 32 A.H.),
`Abdullah ibn Al-Abbaas (d. 68 A.H.),
Al-Aswad ibn Yazeed (d. 75 A.H.), (a fellow of Ibn Masood),
Abul-`Aaliya Rafee` ibn Mahraan Ar-Riyaahi (d. 90 A.H.),
Sa`eed ibn Jabeer (d. 94 A.H.), (a fellow of Ibn Abbaas),
Ibrahim An-Nakh`i (d. 95 A.H.), (a fellow of Ibn Masood),

`Umar ibn Abd-il-Azeez (d. 101 A.H.),
`Alqama ibn Qays (d. 102 A.H.), (a fellow of Ibn Massod),
Abul-Hajjaaj Mujaahid ibn Jabr (d. 103 A.H.), (a fellow of Ibn Abbaas),
Ad-Dhahhaak ibn Muzaahim (d. 105 A.H.),
Abu-`Abdillah `Ikrima Al-Barbari (d. 105 A.H.), (a fellow of Ibn Abbaas - also his servant),
Ash-Sha`bi (d. 105 A.H.), (a fellow of Ibn Masood),
Taawoos ibn Kaysaan Al-Yamaani (d. 106 A.H.), (a fellow of Ibn Abbaas),
Ataa' ibn Abi-Rabaah Al-Makki (d. 114 A.H.), (a fellow of Ibn Abbaas),
Qataada ibn Di`aama As-Sudoosi (d. 117 A.H.),
Al-Hasan Al-Basri (d. 121 A.H.),
Abu-Bakr Muhammad ibn Muslim Ibn Shihaab Az-Zuhri (d. 124 A.H.), (a teacher of Imaam Maalik),
Ismaa`eel ibn Abd-ir-Rahmaan As-Suddi, Sr. (d. 127 A.H.),
Abun-Nadhar Sa`eed ibn Abi`Arooba (d. 133 A.H.),
`Ataa' ibn Abi-Muslim ibn Maysara Al-Khuraasaani (d. 135 A.H.),
Zayd ibn Asalam (d. 136 A.H.),
Abu-Nadhar Muhammad ibn As-Saa'ib ibn Bishr Al-Kalbi (d. 146 A.H.),
Abu-Haneefa An-Nu`maan (d. 150 A.H.),
Al-Hasan ibn Muqaatil (d. 150 A.H.),
Abul-Hasan Muqaatil ibn Sulaymaan ibn Bishr Al-Balkhi (d. 150 A.H.),
Ibn Al-Waleed ibn Jurayj (d. 150 A.H.),
Sa`eed ibn Abi-`Urwa (d. 156 A.H.),
Abu-`Ali Al-Husayn ibn Waaqid Al-Marwazi (d. 159 A.H.),
Maalik ibn Anas (d. 179 A.H.),
`Abd-ur-Rahmaan ibn Zayd ibn Aslam (d. 182 A.H.),

Abu-`Abdillah Muhammad ibn Idrees Ash-Shaafi`i (d. 204 A.H.),
Abu-Nasr `Abdul-Wahhaab ibn `Ataa' Al-`Ajali Al-Khaffaaf (d. 204 A.H.),
Abu-Muhammad Hajjaaj Al-A`war (d. 206 A.H.),
Abu-`Ubayd Al-Qaasim ibn Salaam Al-Hirrawi (d. 224 A.H.),
Abu-Muhammad Hasan ibn `Ali ibn Fudhaal Al-Koofi (d. 224 A.H.),
Muhammad ibn Sa`d Al`Awfi (d. 230 A.H.), (a teacher of At-Tabari),
Ja`far ibn Mubashshir ibn Ahmad Ath-Thaqafi (d. 230 A.H.),
Ja`far ibn Bishr Ath-Thaqafi (d. 235 A.H.),
Abul-Haarith Surayj ibn Yoonus ibn Ibraaheem Al-Marwazi (d. 236 A.H.),
Abu-`Abdillah Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Hanbal (d. 241 A.H.),
Muhammad ibn Ismail Al-Bukhaari (d. 256 A.H.),
Abu-Daawood Sulaymaan ibn Al-Ash`ath As-Sajustaani (d. 275 A.H.),
Abu-Is_haaq Ibrahim ibn Is_haaq Al-Harbi (d. 285 A.H.),
Abu-Muslim Ibrahim ibn Abdillah ibn Muslim ibn Maa`iz Al-Kajji (d. 292 A.H.),

Al-Husayn ibn Mansoor Al-Hallaaj (d. 309 A.H.),
Ibn Jareer At-Tabari (d. 310 A.H.),
Abu-Bakr Abdullah ibn Sulaymaan Al-Ash`ath As-Sajustaani (d. 316 A.H.),
Abu-`Abdillah Az-Zubayr ibn Ahmad ibn Sulaymaan Az-Zubayri (d. 317 A.H.),
Abu-Ja`far Ahmad ibn Is-haaq ibn Bahlool At-Tanookhi (d. 318 A.H.),
Abu-`Abdillah Muhammad ibn Hazm Al-Andalusi (d. 320 A.H.),
Abu-Muslim Muhammad ibn Bahr Al-Asfahaani (d. 322 A.H.),
Muhsin ibn Sulaymaan Ash-Shaybaani (d. 322 A.H.),
Al-Ja`d Abu-Bakr Muhammad ibn Uthmaan Ash-Shaybaani (d. 322 A.H.),
Ibn Al-Anbaari Abu-Bakr Muhammad ibn Al-Qaasim ibn Bashshaar (d. 328 A.H.),
Abul-Husayn Ahmad ibn Ja`far ibn Al-Munaadi (d. 336 A.H.),
Abu-Ja`far Ahmad ibn Muhammad An-Nahhaas Al-Misri (d. 338 A.H.),
Abu-Bakr Muhammad ibn `Abdillah Al-Barda`i (d. 350 A.H.),
Abu-Bakr Muhamamd ibn Sa`eed Al-Ballooti (d. 355 A.H.). Some report his name as Abul-Hakam Munzhir ibn Sa`eed Al-Ballooti. Others report his nickname as Abul-Hasan,
Abu-Sa`eed Al-Hasan ibn Abdillah As-Seeraafi (d. 368 A.H.),
Abul-Husayn Muhamamd ibn Muhammad An-Naysaapoori (d. 368 A.H.),
Abul-Hasan `Ubaydullah ibn Al-Husayn Al-Karkhi (d. 340 A.H.) (teacher of Al-Jassaas),
Judge Abu-Sa`eed Al-Hasan ibn Abdillah As-Seeraafi An-Nahwi (d. 368 A.H.),
Al-Jassaas (d. 370 A.H.),
Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Baabaweh Al-Qummi (d. 381 A.H.),

Ibn Isba` Abul-Mutraf `Abd-ur-Rahmaan ibn Muhammad ibn `Eesa ibn FuTays (d. 402 A.H.),
Abul-Qaasim Hibatullah ibn Salaama (d. 410 A.H.),
Al-Baaqillaani (d. 413 A.H.),
Abu-Mansoor Abdul-Qaahir ibn Taahir Al-Isfiraayeeni Al-Baghdaadi (d. 429 A.H.),
Abu-Muhammad Makki ibn Abi-Taalib Al-Qaysi Al-Qurtubi Al-Maghrabi (d. 437 A.H.),
Abu-Muhammad Ali ibn Ahmad ibn Sa`eed Ibn Hazm Azh-Zhaahiri (d. 456 A.H.),
Abul-Waleed Sulaymaan ibn Khalaf At-Tujaybi Al-Baaji (d. 474 A.H.),
Abul-Ma`aali Abdul-Malik ibn Abdillah ibn Yoosuf Al-Juwayni (d. 478 A.H.),

Ibn `Aql (d. 501 A.H.),
Abu-Haamid Al-Ghazaali (d. 505 A.H.),
Muhammad ibn Barakaat ibn Hilaal As-Sa`eedi Al-Misri (d. 520 A.H.),
Abu-Hafs `Umar ibn Muhammad An-Nasafi (d. 537 A.H.),
Judge Abu-Bakr ibn Al-`Arabi (d. 543 A.H.),
Abul-Qaasim Mahmood ibn Abil-Hasan An-Nasapoori Al-Ghurnawi (d. >550 A.H.),
Abu-Ja`far Ahmad ibn `Abd-is-Samad ibn `Abd-il-Haqq Al-Khazraji (d. 582 A.H.),
Abu-Bakr Muhammad ibn Moosa Al-Ħaazimi Al-Hamdaani (d. 584 A.H.),
Abul-Faraj `Abd-ur-Rahmaan ibn `Ali ibn Al-Jawzi (d. 597 A.H.),

Fakhruddeen Ar-Raazi (d. 606 A.H.),
Ibn Al-Hasaar Abul-Hasan `Ali ibn Muhammad Al-Khazraji Al-Andalusi Al-Faasi (d. 611 A.H.),
Sayf-ud-Deen Abul-Hasan `Ali ibn Abi-`Ali Al-Aamidi (d. 631 or 611 A.H.),
`Alam-ud-Deen `Ali ibn Muhammad ibn `Abdir-Rahmaan As-Sakhaawi (d. 643 A.H.),
Abu-`Abdillah Shams-ud-Deen Muhammad ibn Ahmad Al-Mawsili (aka Shu`la, d. 656 A.H.),
Shihaab-ud-Deen Al-Qaraafi (d. 684 A.H.),
Judge Al-Baydhaawi (d. 690 A.H.),

Muhammad ibn Al-Mutahhar ibn Yahya ibn Al-Murtadha Al-Mahdi Az-Zaydi (d. 728 A.H.),
Fakhr-ud-Deen (or Fakhrul-Islam) Al-Bazdawi (d. 730 A.H.),
Burhaan-ud-Deen Al-Ja`bari (d. 732 A.H.),
Sharaf-ud-Deen Hibatullah ibn `Abdir-Raheem ibn Ibrahim Al-Baarizi (d. 738 A.H.),
Yahya ibn `Abdillah ibn `Abd-il-Malik Al-WaasiTi (d. 738 A.H.),
Sadr-ush-Sharree`a At-Taftazaani (d. 747 A.H.),
Muhammad ibn Muhammd ibn Muhammad Zanki Al-Isfirayeeni (d. 747 A.H.),
Badr-ud-Deen Muhammad ibn `Abdillah Az-Zarkashi (d. 794 A.H.),

Ahmad ibn `Ali ibn Hajar Al`Asqalaani (d. 852 A.H.),
Al-Kamaal ibn Al-Humaam (d. 861 A.H.),
Ibn Ameer Al-Haajj (d. 879 A.H.),
Shihaab-ud-Deen Ahmad ibn Isma`eel ibn Abi-Bakr ibn Burayda Al-AbsheeTi (d. 883 A.H.),
Al-Mardawi (d. ?),

Jalaal-ud-Deen `Abd-ur-Rahmaan ibn Abi-Bakr As-Suyooti (d. 911 A.H.),

Mar`i ibn Yoosuf ibn Qadaama Al-Karmi (d. 1033 A.H.),

Muhammad ibn `Abd-il-Baaqi Az-Zurqaani (d. 1122 A.H.),
Jamaal-ud-Deen Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn Sa`eed ibn Mas`ood ibn `Aqeela Al-Makki (d. 1150 A.H.),
Ahmad Shah Waliullah Dehlvi (d. 1176 A.H.),
`Atiyyatullah ibn `Atiyya Al-Ajhoori (d. 1190 A.H.),

Muhammad ibn Ali Ash-Shawkaani (d. 1250 A.H.),

Muhammad ibn Salaama ibn `Abdil-Khaaliq ibn Hasan Al-Jamal Ar-Rasheedi (d. 1300 A.H.),
Muhammad `Abdul-`Azheem Az-Zurqaani (?),
Ahmad Shah Waliullah Dehlvi (?),

`Abd-ur-Rahmaan ibn Muhammad Al-Qurrah Daaghi Al-Kurdi (d. 1335 A.H.),
Imaam Muhammad `Abduh (d. 1905 A.D.),
Muhammad Al-Khudhari (Bek) (d. 1926 A.D.?),
Muhammad Rasheed Ridha (d. 1935 A.D.),
Professor Ahmed Ibrahim (Bek) ibn Ibrahim Suroor Al-Husayni (d. 1945 A.D.),
Muhammad Abu-Zahra (?),
Dr. Mostafa Zaid (d. 1978 A.D.),
Mahmood Hamza (mentioned without dates by Dr. M. Saalih `Ali Mustafa in his book النسخ في القرآن الكريم - مفهومه وتاريخه ودعاواه, page 32),
Sha`baan Muhammad Ismaa`eel (mentioned without dates by Dr. M. Saalih `Ali Mustafa in his book النسخ في القرآن الكريم - مفهومه وتاريخه ودعاواه, page 32),
Muhammad Mahmood Farghali (mentioned without dates by Dr. M. Saalih `Ali Mustafa in his book النسخ في القرآن الكريم - مفهومه وتاريخه ودعاواه, page 32),
Dr. Muhammad Al-Bahiyy (d. 1982 A.D.),
Muhammad Al-Ghazaali (d. 1996 A.D.),
Muhammad Mutawalli Ash-Sha`raawi (d. 1998 A.D.),
`Abdul-Kareem Al-Khateeb (d. 2008),

May God grant the following scholars a long life:
Dr. Mustafa Ibrahim Az-Zalmi (b. 1924 A.D.),
Dr. Yoosuf Al-Qaradhaawi (b. 1926),
`Ali Hasan Al-Areedh,
`Abdul-Muta`aal Al-Jabri,
Dr. Ahmad Hijaazi As-Saqqa,
Muhammad Mahmood Nada,
Jawaad Moosa Muhammad `Afaana,
Husaam Rushdi Al-Ghaali,
Jamaal Saalih `Ataaya,
Ihaab Hasan `Abduh,
Dr. Ali Jum`a,
Haani Taahir,
Dr. Muhammad Saalih Ali Mustafa,
Dr. Husayn Nassaar (b. 1925 A.D.),
Al-Qasabi Mahmood ZalaT,
Dr. Subhi As-saalih,
Dr. Mannaa` Al-Qattaan.

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Timeline - Scholars who wrote about abrogation
PostPosted: 18 Feb 2010, 04:19 
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Al-Hasan Al-Basri (d. 121 A.H.)

I had no idea he belonged that early in Islamic history.

Great list!

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 Post subject: Era of Fiqh and Hadeeth scholars
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I don't know how useful the following is, in regards to abrogation, but I thought I'd include the names and dates of death of the top scholars of Fiqh and the top scholars of Hadeeth.

Abu-Haneefa An-Nu`maan ibn Thaabit (d. 150 A.H.),
Maalik ibn Anas (d. 179 A.H.),

Muhammad ibn Idrees Ash-Shaafi`i (d. 204 A.H.),
Ahmad ibn Hanbal (d. 241 A.H.),
Abdullah ibn Abd-ir-Rahmaan Ad-Daarimi (d. 255 A.H.),
Muhammad ibn Ismaa`eel Al-Bukhaari (d. 256 A.H.),
Muslim ibn Al-Hajjaaj (d. 261 A.H.),
Muhammad ibn Yazeed ibn Maajah (d. 273 A.H.),
Abu-Daawood Sulaymaan ibn Al-Ash`ath (d. 275 A.H.),
Abu-Eesa Muhammad At-Tirmizhi (d. 279 A.H.),

Ahmad ibn Shu`ayb An-Nasaa'i (d. 303 A.H.),
Muhammad ibn Hubbaan (d. 350 A.H.),
Sulaymaan ibn Ahmad At-Tabaraani (d. 360 A.H.),
Abul-Hasan Ad-Daarqutni (d. 385 A.H.),

Muhammad ibn Abdillah Al-Haakim (d. 405 A.H.),
Abu-Bakr Ahmad ibn Al-Husayn Al-Bayhaqi (d. 458 A.H.),

Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn Uthmaan Azh-Zhahabi (d. 748 A.H.).

I hadn't realized this before, but the last of the top scholars of Fiqh was also the first of the top scholars of Hadeeth, but he died 15 years before the most prominent scholar of Hadeeth, Al-Bukhaari, may God have been pleased with all the above scholars.

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Timeline
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Al-Jabri states on page 99 of his book, under the heading "The origin of claiming Quranic abrogation" that Imam Al-Shafeiy devised the rule of the abrogating and the abrogated, citing his famous book Al-Resala. He does not mention Abu-Haneefa and the others before Al-Shafeiy. I find the statement to be ill phrased at best. He probably means that Al-Shafeiy was the first to install a discipline governing the abrogating and abrogated. Then again, Al-Shafeiy was the first to install a discipline governing Islamic scholarship, period.

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