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 Post subject: Re: Historical Timeline
PostPosted: 28 Apr 2010, 19:59 
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An excellent chronological list of the authors of books dedicated to abrogation is included in Al-Jabri's book on pages 121 to 126. He lists 43 authors in the order they were deceased, from the year 118 H. to the year 1190 H. He comments on many of them and mentions that the first 20 books on the list were lost except for a few pages here and there, so there is no way to tell what they actually meant by naskh. Some clearly predate Imam Al-shafeiy, so I am still puzzled by the previous statement that he was the one who started the discipline.

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Timeline
PostPosted: 30 Apr 2010, 16:11 
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Pragmatic wrote:
An excellent chronological list of the authors of books dedicated to abrogation is included in Al-Jabri's book on pages 121 to 126. He lists 43 authors in the order they were deceased, from the year 118 H. to the year 1190 H.

If there are some names on his list that are not included in the above post, kindly send the names to me so I can update the list.

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Timeline
PostPosted: 30 Apr 2010, 17:28 
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Linguistic wrote:
If there are some names on his list that are not included in the above post, kindly send the names to me so I can update the list.

Sure, but the list of names are of a different category. Mostly names I have never heard of, and their stature as scholars may not be in the league of the above list.

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Timeline
PostPosted: 05 Jun 2010, 03:34 
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In two footnotes on pages 434-435 of his book التبيان لرفع غموض النسخ في القرآن, Dr. Mustafa Ibrahim Az-Zalmi makes three important lists of key Muslim figures in relation to the Quran:

People who witnessed and inscribed the revelations of the Quran as they were revealed to the Prophet (PBUH): There is 43 of them. The most well known of them were:

  1. Abu-Bakr,
  2. Umar,
  3. Uthmaan,
  4. Ali,
  5. Abdullah ibn Mas`ood,
  6. Abu-Sufyaan,
  7. Mu`aawiya ibn Abi-Sufyaan,
  8. Yazeed ibn Abi-Sufyaan,
  9. Sa`eed ibn Al`Aas,
  10. Abbaan ibn Sa`eed ibn Al`Aas,
  11. Khaalid ibn Sa`eed ibn Al`Aas,
  12. Zayd ibn Thaabit,
  13. Az-Zubayr ibn Al-`Awwaam,
  14. Talha ibn `Ubaydillah,
  15. Sa`d ibn Abi-Waqqaas,
  16. `Aamir ibn Fuhayra,
  17. Abdullah ibn Al-Arqam,
  18. Abdullah ibn Rawaaha,
  19. Abdullah ibn Sa`d ibn Abis-Sarh,
  20. Ubayy ibn Ka`b,
  21. Thaabit ibn Qays,
  22. Hanzala ibn Ar-Rabee`,
  23. Shurahbeel ibn Hasana,
  24. Al`Alaa' ibn Al-Khadhrami,
  25. Khaalid ibn Al-Waleed,
  26. `Amr ibn Al`Aas,
  27. Al-Mugheera ibn Shu`ba,
  28. Mu`ayqeeb ibn Abi-Faatima Ad-Dawsi,
  29. Huzhayfa ibn Al-Yamaan,
  30. Huwaytib ibn Abdil-Azeez Al`Aamiri.

People who bound the entire Quran during the life of the Prophet (PBUH). They were:

  1. Ali,
  2. Sa`d ibn `Ubayd ibn An-Nu`maan ibn `Amr ibn Zayd,
  3. Abud-Dardaa' `Azeez ibn Zayd,
  4. Mu`aazh ibn Jabal ibn Aws,
  5. Abu-Zayd Thaabit ibn Zayd ibn An-Nu`maan,
  6. Ubayy ibn Ka`b ibn Qays,
  7. `Ubayd ibn Mu`aawiya,
  8. Zayd ibn Thaabit.

People who copied the Quran from the original borrowed from Hafsa by request from Uthmaan. They were:

  1. Zayd ibn Thaabit,
  2. Abdullah ibn Az-Zubayr,
  3. Sa`eed ibn Al`Aas,
  4. Abdur-Rahmaan ibn Al-Haarith ibn Hishaam.

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Timeline
PostPosted: 05 Jun 2010, 03:51 
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Linguistic wrote:
In two footnotes on pages 434-435 of his book التبيان لرفع غموض النسخ في القرآن, Dr. Mustafa Ibrahim Az-Zalmi makes three important lists of key Muslim figures in relation to the Quran

Thank you for the great list. Zayd Ibn Thabit may not be nearly as famous as the other Sahaba, but the job Uthman chose him for is by far the most important task of that era. May God reward both of them on our behalf.

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Timeline - Chronological order of revelation
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Linguistic wrote:
I thought that listing the chronological order of revelation is pertinent here. Bear in mind that the order shown below is the majority opinion but there were other opinions suggested. Also, some verses were inserted by direction of the Prophet (PBUH) into prior chapters.

Afaana, in his book الرأي الصواب في منسوخ الكتاب, page 15, offers a thoughtful explanation of the significance of the above facts. He writes,

والحقيقة أن الله تعالى قد أبهم التواريخ وأزمان النزول، وزاد في ذلك بأن قدم وأخر ونقل وبدل بعض أماكن الآيات في السور، لكي يجعل من الصعوبة بمكان ترتيب نزول تلك الآيات، خاصة آيات الأحكام لحكمة الله يعلمها، ويمكن لنا فهم بعض جوانبها إذا علمنا أن القرآن كله مطلوب منا، وأن لا تعارض بين آياته، وأن آيات الأحكام جاءت في معظمها مفسرة (محكمة)؛

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The truth is that God, may He be exalted, has made ambiguous the dates and times of revelation, and furthermore rearranged, transferred and moved the places of some verses in Chapters, in order to make it quite difficult to put these verses in chronological order, specially verses with rulings, for a wisdom only God knows. But we may understand aspects of it when we comprehend that all of the Quran is required for us, that there's no conflict between its verses and that verses with rulings are mostly certain in meaning.

I find that insightful. Had God wanted us to know the exact order of revelation, He could've done that by instructing the Prophet (PBUH) to either state it to his fellows or to instruct the scribes to write the Quran in such order. The order of revelation, though a matter of curiosity, is irrelevant because the entire Quran is to be followed. It's impossible to claim abrogation of a verse by another, and make the claim stick, if you have no way to prove when either one was revealed!

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