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 Post subject: Did 5:5 abrogate 2:221?
PostPosted: 08 Jan 2010, 06:16 
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is claimed to have been abrogated by


The case for abrogation equates the people of the Book with the polytheists and that is incorrect. God has repeatedly distinguished the people of the Book from the polytheists, even when He called them disbelievers, for instance:


So, the case for abrogation cannot logically be made on that basis. Next question to ask is whether the rulings of the two verses can be combined. Yes, because 2:221 has a prohibition while 5:5 has an allowance and logically, the two can be combined unless they have an item in common and as explained above, they don't.

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 Post subject: Re: Did 5:5 abrogate 2:221?
PostPosted: 08 Jan 2010, 07:12 
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Linguistic wrote:
God has repeatedly distinguished the people of the Book from the polytheists, even when He called them disbelievers, for instance:


So, the case for abrogation cannot logically be made on that basis.

Excellent example.

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 Post subject: Who said what
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For:
Ibn Abbaas (in one report),
Al-Hasan, Mujaahid and Ar-Rabee` ibn Anas Al-Basri (according to Dr. Al-Husayni),
Sufyaan ibn Sa`eed,
Abd-ur-Rahmaan ibn Umar,
Al-Awzaa`i,
Az-Zuhri,
Maalik (though he disliked marriage to a non-Muslim woman from the enemy, said Al-Jabri),
Ibn Hazm Al-Andalusi,
Ibn Salaama,
Ibn Al-Baarizi,
Abdullah ibn Umar (who said it was the other way around, 2:221 abrogated 5:5),
Dr. Umar Farrookh (according to Al-Jabri),
Ali Mahfoozh (implied, according to Al-Jabri).

Against:
The majority (according to Dr. Faaris citing Ibn Abbaas),
Uthmaan ibn `Affaan (implied as he married a Christian woman named Naa'ila bint Al-Faraafisa),
Talha ibn Ubaydillah (implied as he married a Jewish woman from Areeha),
Jaabir (who ruled that marriage to People of the Book is lawful),
Huzhayfa ibn Al-Yamaan (implied as he married a Christian woman),
Ibn Abbaas (in another report in which he allowed marriage to people of the Book),
Ibn Umar (implied by his dislike of marrying from People of the Book. He also said it was 5:5 that was abrogated, according to Ibn Salaama),
Sa`eed ibn Jabeer, Taawoos, Al-Hasan (according to Al-Khazraji), Ikrima, As-Sha`bi and Ad-Dhahhaak,
Qataada,
Sa`eed ibn al-Musayyib (according to Dr. Faaris),
Yahya ibn Al-Husayn aka Al-Haadi (who interpreted 5:5 to mean a woman who converted to Islam, said Aş-Şa`di),
Muhammad ibn Ali Al-Baaqir and Al-Qaasim ibn Ismail Al-Hasani (according to Aş-Şa`di),
Ash-Shaafi`i (in one report),
Abu-Haneefa (implied),
At-Tabari (according to Dr. Zayd),
Al-Asfahaani,
Makki and An-Nahhaas (quoted by Dr. Faaris),
Abu-Abdillah Shu`la (reported by Dr. Faaris),
As-Suyooti (implied in his book الإكليل, page 177, according to Al-Jabri),
Shah Waliullah Dehlvi,
M. Rasheed Ridha and Mahmood Shaltoot (implied; both forbade marrying non-Muslims),
Al-Jabri (though he firmly forbids marrying non-Muslims),
Dr. Mustafa Zayd,
Dr. Ahmad Hijaazi As-Saqqa,
Dr. Az-Zalmi,
Husaam Al-Ghaali,
Dr. N.A. Tantaawi,
Dr. Ali Jum`a,
Dr. M. Ibrahim Faaris (implied by his approval of Shu`la's opinion).

Unclear:
Umar ibn Al-Khattaab (he prohibited marrying non-Muslims, wrote Al-Jabri),
Maalik, An-Nakh`i and Al-Mawdoodi (they disliked marriage to non-Muslims, wrote Al-Jabri),
Ibn Jareer (At-Tabari, implied by his narration of a hadeeth where the Prophet (PBUH) forbade marrying non-Muslims, wrote Al-Jabri).

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 Post subject: Re: Did 5:5 abrogate 2:221?
PostPosted: 02 Mar 2010, 02:32 
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In his book, البيان في تفسير القرآن, As-Sayyid Al-Khoo'i wrote,

والحق: أنه لا نسخ في شئ من الآيتين فإن المشركة التي حرمت الآية الأولى نكاحها، إن كان المراد منها التي تعبد الأصنام والأوثان - كما هو الظاهر - فإن حرمة نكاحها لا تنافي إباحة نكاح الكتابية التي دلت عليها الآية الثاني ، لتكون إحداهما ناسخة والثانية منسوخة، وإن كان المراد من المشركة ما هو أعم من الكتابية - كما توهمه القائلون بالنسخ - كانت الآية الثانية مخصصة للآية الأولى. ويكون حاصل معنى الآيتين جواز نكاح الكتابية دون المشركة ـ


He confirms my argument, which is rather obvious. Also, thanks to him, I got the names of the scholars who said that 2:221 was abrogated and added them to the "who said what" post above.

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 Post subject: Re: Did 5:5 abrogate 2:221?
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Linguistic wrote:
The case for abrogation equates the people of the Book with the polytheists and that is incorrect. God has repeatedly distinguished the people of the Book from the polytheists, even when He called them disbelievers, for instance: 98:1.

Al-Qurtubi says the same thing in his exegesis. He quotes for additional evidence,

He adds that the conjunction particle 'nor' necessarily implies different categories, i.e., polytheists are not the same thing as people of the Book. This is stronger evidence than the one I quoted.

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 Post subject: Re: Did 5:5 abrogate 2:221?
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Dr. Ahmad Hijaazi As-Saqqa, in his book لانسخ في القرآن, page 76, says that the scholars actually differed on which verse abrogated the other! That is, some scholars have actually opined that 2:221 abrogated 5:5. How can that possibly be when everybody knows that 5:3-5 were among the last verses revealed?

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 Post subject: Re: Did 5:5 abrogate 2:221?
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Al-Ghaali, in his book بالحجة والبرهان لا نسخ في القرآن, pages 84-87, backs up the distinction between polytheists and people of the Book and refutes this abrogation claim. He quotes two more verses which make that distinction clear,

And


Al-Ghaali also mentions an important ruling of Abu-Haneefa. The esteemed imaam has ruled that people of the Book may approach the Sacrosanct Mosque, because, he argued, only the polytheists are forbidden in the verse,

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 Post subject: Re: Did 5:5 abrogate 2:221?
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Linguistic wrote:
Al-Ghaali also mentions an important ruling of Abu-Haneefa. The esteemed imaam has ruled that people of the Book may approach the Sacrosanct Mosque, because, he argued, only the polytheists are forbidden in the verse

I never knew about that opinion. Very interesting.

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 Post subject: Re: Did 5:5 abrogate 2:221?
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While he rejects this claim and agrees with the distinction between polytheist and people-of-the-Book women, Dr. Ali Jum`a, in his book النسخ عند الأصوليين, pages 82-83, makes a ruling which I respectfully disagree with. He says that a Muslim cannot marry a woman from the People of the Book if her people are fighting Muslims, because "she is then a fighter like her people." He quotes,

and says that there is no closer relationship than marriage.

True, but the general assertion that every member of a community that fights Muslims is a fighter of Muslims too may or may not be true. Individuals have been known to be in sharp disagreement with the policies of their governments, some even vocal and activist about it with demonstrations.

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 Post subject: Re: Did 5:5 abrogate 2:221?
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Linguistic wrote:
the general assertion that every member of a community that fights Muslims is a fighter of Muslims too may or may not be true. Individuals have been known to be in sharp disagreement with the policies of their governments, some even vocal and activist about it with demonstrations.

Indeed, and those are often labeled as disloyal by the hawks in their countries. I think the principle of individual accountability trumps other subjective considerations.


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