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 Post subject: Re: Scholars opinions about abrogation
PostPosted: 03 Jan 2015, 19:32 
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Al-Jabri, in his book الناسخ والمنسوخ بين الإثبات والنفي, page 116, discusses the abrogation cases that Makki studied and presented in his book الإيضاح لناسخ القرآن ومنسوخه. His conclusion is that Makki approved only 6 abrogation claims. The rest of the cases Makki studied were cases of specification/exception (about 20 cases), cases of statements of fact (another twenty), cases of promises/threats, cases of abrogating pre-Islamic practices (another twenty or so) and over 30 cases where he reconciled the apparent conflict.

This is significant because all other references to Makki's studies imply that he approved over 60 claims of abrogation. So, what we have here is scholar disagreements about what other scholars have actually said!

I intend, God willing, to read Makki's book and see for myself if Al-Jabri was right in his analysis about what Makki wrote.

Al-Jabri then quickly dismisses one of the claims which he said Makki confidently approved: 60:9/60:8, on the basis of contingency. He said that Makki acknowledged the contingency but nevertheless ruled it an abrogation.

This shows, if Al-Jabri is right, that Makki disagreed about what constituted abrogation, yet he still considered some factors a valid abrogation when they really are not, such as contingency. The other five claims Makki approved, according to Al-Jabri, were the "Big Three", the Qibla change-over claim (2:115/2:144) and the blanket claim about the Zakah verse, 9:60.

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 Post subject: Re: Scholars opinions about abrogation
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Al-Jabri makes a very interesting logical point in his book الناسخ والمنسوخ بين الإثبات والنفي, page 126. He quotes Judge Abu-Bakr from his book الانتصار, as quoted by As-Suyooti in his book الإتقان في علوم القرآن, in which he said that it is not permitted for a singular narration to abrogate what he been ubiquitously narrated, i.e., narrations cannot abrogate verses. He then extrapolates by saying that reports of abrogation conveyed by singletons cannot be accepted as evidence for abrogation of verse either! Great point.

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 Post subject: Re: Scholars opinions about abrogation
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Al-Jabri, in his book الناسخ والمنسوخ بين الإثبات والنفي, pages 129-130, tells of something that Dr. Muhammad Al-Bahiyy said on the phone to Al-Jabri's publisher. Al-Bahiyy commented on his exegesis تفسير سورة الكهف, page 17, where he explained this verse,

that the clause لا مبدل لكلماته (There is none substituting His Words), make it clear to him that no words of the Quran may be changed or abrogated and "puts the issue of abrogation in the Quran in the position of review and re-examination of what has been said about abrogation."

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 Post subject: Re: Scholars opinions about abrogation
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Farghali, in his book النسخ بين الإثبات والنفي, pages 53-62, mentions several objections to the abrogation doctrine, without credit:

  • The Quran does not name any verse abrogated.

    He answers that by saying that verse 16:101 says otherwise. Also, a researcher in the Quran will find many examples of verses abrogated by other verses.

    He forgets that his interpretation of 16:101 is based on an inauthentic narration of its circumstances of revelations, and that the researcher who perceives contradictions, and explains them by abrogation, hasn't properly studied the verses.

  • The Prophet, PBUH, did not name any verse abrogated.

    He answers that by saying...get this...he abrogated his rulings on visiting the graves and eating sacrificial meat.

    He conflates. Abrogation in the Sunna did happen, but that does not prove that a similar abrogation happened in the Quran.

  • Scholars have not agreed on which verses were abrogated.

    He answers that by saying it doesn't hurt the doctrine because abrogation did happen and none can deny it but a supercilious person!

    He forgets that abrogation cancels God's commands! If scholar A tells me command x is no longer to be followed and scholar B says it must be followed, then to whom do I listen?

  • Ubayy ibn Ka`b, the prominent fellow of the Prophet, said that no abrogation had occurred.

    He answers that by saying it's a false claim. He narrates a lengthy narration, mentioned in As-Suyooti's book, الإتقان في علوم القرآن, in which Ubayy named several verses that used to be recited but are no longer in the Quran.

    He conflates again. If we accept that verses did not make it to the text of the Quran, then it means the Quran left to us by the Prophet PBUH, has none of them!

    But we don't need to accept that either, because, once again, that narration is inauthentic.

He cites the fact that hundreds of books have been written on the subject, the majority of which accepting the doctrine, is proof of the doctrine. He forgets that a majority of people may agree on a falsehood - for a variety of reasons.

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