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 Post subject: Verses 8:67-69
PostPosted: 06 Jun 2009, 08:46 
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PostPosted: 05 Jan 2010, 01:31 
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{8:67} It is not for a prophet to have captives [of war] until he inflicts a massacre [upon God's enemies] in the land. Some Muslims desire the commodities of this world, but God desires [for you] the Hereafter. And God is Exalted in Might and Wise.

I normally refrain from criticizing other translations, but I draw the line on this one. The use of "massacre" here is totally wrong. أثخن simply means "to thicken," nothing to do with no massacre! In Arabic, the verb is used to indicate doing something extensively or on a big scale. Here, the subject is fighting the hostile disbelievers and the verse teaches that a prophet is not to take prisoners of war for bargaining purposes until after he has done all he can to defeat the enemy. Only Yusuf Ali got that point. I suggest,
{8:67} It is not for a prophet to have prisoners of war until he has subdued [the enemy] in the land. You [Muslims] desire the commodities of [this] nearest [life] (spoils of war) but God desires [for you] the Hereafter. And God is Mighty and Wise.

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I normally refrain from criticizing other translations, but I draw the line on this one. The use of "massacre" here is totally wrong. يثخن simply means "to thicken," nothing to do with no massacre! In Arabic, the verb is used to indicate doing something extensively or on a big scale. Here, the subject is fighting the hostile disbelievers and the verse teaches that a prophet is not to take prisoners of war for bargaining purposes until after he has done all he can to defeat the enemy. Only Yusuf Ali got that point.

In his book بالحجة والبرهان لا نسخ في القرآن, page 168, Husaam Rushdi Al-Ghaali propounds the varied interpretations of the scholars of the word يثخن. He said Ibn Abbaas, may God have been pleased with him, said it means To prevail. Al-Bukhaari, rahimahullah, said it means to conquer. Al-Ghaali opines like I did in the quote above: that first comes victory then prisoners of war are taken.

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