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 Post subject: Verses 9:30-31
PostPosted: 06 Jun 2009, 08:41 
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 Post subject: Re: Verses 9:30-31
PostPosted: 07 Jan 2010, 20:22 
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{9:30} The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of God"; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of God." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May God destroy them; how are they deluded?

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{9:30} The Jews said, "Uzayr (Ezra) is the son of God"; and the Christians said, "Christ is the son of God." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May God fight them! How then are they deluded?

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{9:31} They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides God, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.

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{9:31} They have taken their rabbis and monks as lords besides God, and [also taken as lord] Christ, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded but to worship one God; there is no deity but He. Sanctified is He above whatever they associate [with Him in worship].

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 Post subject: Re: Verses 9:30-31
PostPosted: 08 Jan 2010, 03:31 
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Linguistic wrote:
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{9:30} The Jews said, "Uzayr (Ezra) is the son of God"; and the Christians said, "Christ is the son of God." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May God fight them! How then are they deluded?

About "How then are they deluded?", doesn't "anna" mean "in whichever way"? For example,


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 Post subject: Re: Verses 9:30-31
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Pragmatic wrote:
About "How then are they deluded?", doesn't "anna" mean "in whichever way"? For example,



That is if أنى is used as an adverb, as in your example, meaning "any which way," but if it is used as an interrogative or exclamation article, it means "how can it be?" For instance,

Thus, a good translation of it in such cases would be "how come?"

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 Post subject: Re: Verses 9:30-31
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Linguistic wrote:
That is if أنى is used as an adverb, as in your example, meaning "any which way," but if it is used as an interrogative or exclamation article, it means "how can it be?" For instance,

Thus, a good translation of it in such cases would be "how come?"

Hmm. I actually understood it in the verse in question as an adverb rather than an interrogative.

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 Post subject: Re: Verses 9:30-31
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Pragmatic wrote:
Linguistic wrote:
That is if أنى is used as an adverb, as in your example, meaning "any which way," but if it is used as an interrogative or exclamation article, it means "how can it be?" For instance,

Thus, a good translation of it in such cases would be "how come?"

Hmm. I actually understood it in the verse in question as an adverb rather than an interrogative.

How interesting! You mean you understood it to mean "May God fight them wherever they are deviated from the truth!"? I never looked at that way. Sarwar agrees with you, but none of the other translators did. The Arabic bears it.

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